How Do We See Our Divinity

Hislop: Eyes see body. How does one see God Himself?

Sai: In order to see the moon, does one need a torch? It is by the light of the moon that one sees the moon. In like fashion, if one wishes to see God, it is by love, which is the light of God, that one may see Him.

Hislop: Swami says that like the blind man, who has no eyes to see, we are blind and unable to see our own divinity. With what vision does one see his own divinity?

Sai: A blind man cannot see his body. You can, because you have eyes. But you have no eyes to see your spiritual body. You have a spiritual body that is omnipresent. That body can be seen with the spiritual eye.

Hislop: Would Swami describe the spiritual eye?

Sai: Oh, yes. The spiritual eye is God. Attain Him and the spiritual eye will open.

Hislop: What does Swami mean when He says, ‘To look within oneself’? What is meant by ‘look’?

Sai: ‘Looking within’ does not mean looking into the body of flesh and bones. It means transcending the senses, as in deep meditation.

Hislop: As one turns inward, he encounters feeling. Women talk of the heart. Swami puts emphasis on the heart. What is meant by the word, ‘heart’?

Sai: ‘Heart’ is the inside. ‘Art’ is outside. Heart is inside.

Hislop: Swami says that ‘the heart is the reflection of the atma’, and also that ‘the heart is the best mirror for reflecting truth.’ What is that ‘heart’? What does Swami refer to?

Sai: Heart is the consciousness.

Hislop: Is the ‘heart’ that women talk about the same as what Swami means?

Sai: No. That is the subconscious mind mixed up with their desire.

Hislop: Just under my skin, about an inch, there seems to be a mirror. When I see Baba outside, I also see Him in that ‘mirror.’ The ‘mirror’ reflects Baba’s every move. Of these two, the Baba I see with my two eyes, and the Baba of the inside reflection, which is the most real?

Sai: Consciousness is a reflection. If pure, it is a clear reflection. It is by the sankalpa (divine will) of Baba that the reflection is seen.

Hislop: Is it to the ‘inside’ Baba that prayers and devotion should be addressed?

Sai: When Baba is found within, He will be seen everywhere outside.

Source: Conversations with Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba